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#23828 - 18/10/2017 20:20 Re: Nød, jammer og islamisk fortvivlelse.. [Re: Anonym]
Arne Thomsen Offline
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Hej Mofoe.

Jeg forstår jo godt din kritik af islam.
Jeg er bestemt ikke muslim, men jeg er opmærksom på, at islam har flere ansigter, såsom dette:
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Forum For Kritiske Muslimer (stiftet i august 2001) er en sufiorienteret reformbevægelse som har til formål at arbejde for en demokratisk og pluralistisk tilgang til islam samt en anerkendelse af alternative koranfortolkninger og religiøs mangfoldighed.
Om sufisme:
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Med udgangspunkt i Koranens bud om at søge Gud gennem bøn, meditation og almisse udviklede askesen sig snart til en egentlig mystik, til dels under indflydelse af kristne eneboeres fromhed.
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I løbet af 1990’erne er sufismen gledet ind som en del af den euro-amerikanske religiøse subkultur. Dog ikke i sin sædvanlige former, men i varianter uden binding til bestemte mestre eller etniske grupper. I Skandinavien har flere kunstnere ladet sig inspirere af sufistiske traditioner.
Sufisme i Danmark kan også ses her:
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Til spørgsmålet: ”Er du kristen?” ”Er du muslim?” ”Er du jøde?” – vil sufiernes svar være ja snarere end nej, fordi sufierne ikke er i modsætningsforhold til nogen religion, men sympatiserer med dem alle.
Alt dette blot for at pege på at islam har flere ansigter - samt at nogle af dem måske godt kunne fungere vellykket her i Danmark blinker

M.v.h. Arne smiler
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#23847 - 21/10/2017 15:01 Re: Nød, jammer og islamisk fortvivlelse.. [Re: Anonym]
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Man ka’ vel ikke forvente at se andet end kopiering, fra et menneske der på en debat reelt har vist sig meningsløs. Men man ka’ læse tråde der behandler islamisk tro i vestlige demokratiske samfund fra flere synsvinkler, og med disse se bort fra Somos galimatias:
http://www.verdidebatt.no/innlegg/11701150-nar-vil-vi-alle-forsta-islam

mvh
Simon
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#23872 - 24/10/2017 00:09 Lidt fra den naturvidenskabelige religion... [Re: somo]
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P.s.: Lidt til Somos lattermuskulatur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJJQDm_lBM

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#23874 - 24/10/2017 10:06 Re: Nød, jammer og islamisk fortvivlelse.. [Re: Anonym]
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Many mistakenly believe that Islam does not tolerate the existence of other religions present in the world. This article discusses some of the foundations the Prophet Muhammad himself laid in dealing with people of other faiths, with practical examples from his lifetime. Part 1: Examples of religious tolerance for people of other faiths found in the constitution which the Prophet laid in Medina.

The dealings of the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, with other religions can best be described in the verse of the Quran:

“To you be your religion, to me be mine.”

The Arabian Peninsula during the time of the Prophet was a region in which various faiths were present. There were Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, polytheists, and others not affiliated with any religion. When one looks into the life of the Prophet, one may draw on many examples to portray the high level of tolerance shown to people of other faiths.

In order to understand and judge this tolerance, one must look into the period in which Islam was a formal state, with the specific laws laid down by the Prophet in accordance with the tenets of religion. Even though one can observe many examples of tolerance shown by the Prophet in the thirteen years of his stay in Mecca, one may incorrectly think that it was only due to seeking to raise the profile of the Muslims and the social status of Islam and in general. For this reason, the discussion will be limited to the period which commenced with the migration of the Prophet to Medina, and specifically once the constitution was set.
The Saheefah

The best example of the tolerance shown by the Prophet to other religions may be the constitution itself, called the ‘Saheefah’ by early historians.[1] When the Prophet migrated to Medina, his role as a mere religious leader ended; he was now the political leader of a state, governed by the precepts of Islam, which demanded that clear laws of governance be laid out to ensure harmony and stability in a society which once had been distraught by decades of war, one which must ensure the peaceful coexistence of Muslims, Jews, Christians and polytheists. Due to this, the Prophet laid down a ‘constitution’ which detailed the responsibilities of all parties which resided in Medina, their obligations towards each other, and certain restrictions which were placed on each. All parties were to obey what was mentioned therein, and any breach of its articles was regarded as an act of treachery.
One Nation

The first article of the constitution was that all the inhabitants of Medina, the Muslims as well as those who had entered the pact from the Jews, Christian, and idolaters, were “one nation to the exclusion of all others.” All were considered members and citizens of Medina society regardless of religion, race, or ancestry. People of other faiths were protected from harm as much as the Muslims, as is stated in another article, “To the Jews who follow us belong help and equity. He shall not be harmed nor his enemies be aided.” Previously, each tribe had their alliances and enemies within and without Medina. The Prophet gathered these different tribes under one system of governance which upheld pacts of alliances previously in existence between those individual tribes. All tribes had to act as a whole with disregard to individual alliances. Any attack on other religion or tribe was considered an attack on the state and upon the Muslims as well.

The lives of the practitioners of other religions in the Muslim society was also given protective status. The Prophet said:

“Whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Since the upper hand was with the Muslims, the Prophet strictly warned against any maltreatment of people of other faiths. He said:

“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)
To Each Their Own Religion

In another article, it states, “the Jews have their religion and the Muslims have theirs.” In this, it is clear that anything other than tolerance would not be tolerated, and that, although all were members of a society, each had their separate religion which could not be violated. Each was allowed to practice their beliefs freely without any hindrances, and no acts of provocation would be tolerated.

There are many other articles of this constitution which may be discussed, but emphasis will be placed on an article which states, “If any dispute or controversy likely to cause trouble should arise, it must be referred to God and His Messenger.” This clause maintained that all inhabitants of the state must recognize a higher level of authority, and in those matters which involved various tribes and religions, justice could not be meted out by individual leaders; rather it must be adjudicated by the leader of the state himself or his designated representatives. It was allowed, however, for individual tribes who were not Muslims, to refer to their own religious scriptures and their learned men in regards to their own personal affairs. They could though, if they opted, ask the Prophet to judge between them in their matters. God says in the Quran:

“…If they do come to you, either judge between them or decline to interfere...” (Quran 5:42)

Here we see that the Prophet allowed each religion to judge in their own matters according to their own scriptures, as long as it did not stand in opposition to articles of the constitution, a pact which took into account the greater benefit of the peaceful co-existence of the society.

The Mercy of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoFB4WlwYck

شاب يسأل لما لم يتغير لباس المرأة المسلمة مع مرور الزمن مقل بقية الديانات || رد عجيب د.ذاكر نايك
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc0YymrWB1s

أحمد ديدات - محمد النبى الأعظم – مترجم
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nusKinXj6qg

New Converts to Islam - June 2016 / Ramadan 1437


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14jK6XS-uxU


Jesus told me to convert to ISLAM ll NEW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cRG4dpSHI8
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#23875 - 24/10/2017 23:46 Re: Nød, jammer og islamisk fortvivlelse.. [Re: somo]
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Hej Somo.

Du skriver bl.m.a.:
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Many mistakenly believe that Islam does not tolerate the existence of other religions present in the world.
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Hvor ville det dog være godt og gavnligt, hvis I muslimer i Danmark kunne enes om klart at udtrykke, at I acceptere såvel dansk religionsfrihed som dansk demokrati samt dansk lov og orden.

M.v.h. Arne smiler
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