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#19840 - 14/11/2015 14:45 Re: hvorfor denne måde ........ ????? [Re: Arne Thomsen]
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Hej Somo.

Jeg går ind for tolerance de forskellige religioner og livsanskuelser imellem.

Ud fra den smule af Koranen, jeg har læst på dansk, har jeg fået den opfattelse, at Islam i en vis grad anerkender både Jødedom og Kristendom (tidligere budskaber fra Gud).

Det er tillige min opfattelse, at den vestlige verdens opførsel overfor muslimsk dominerede lande ikke altid har været lige rimelig - for nu at sige det mildt.

Det synes jeg imidlertid ikke berettiger handlinger som dem, der f.eks. ser ud til at blive begået af, hvad sædvanligvis her i landet kaldes Islamisk Stat.

Den vestlige verdens vrede herover er meget stor.
Det kan ramme derværende muslimske mindretal.

Er der nogen mulighed for at den samlede muslimske verden vil tage klart stilling til, om man ønsker fred eller krig med den vestlige verden?

M.v.h. Arne smiler
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#19842 - 14/11/2015 17:55 Re: hvorfor denne måde ........ ????? [Re: Arne Thomsen]
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Hej Somo.

Jeg ser nu, at du faktisk #19809 - 10/11/2015 10:27 har nævnt trikiner.
Så jeg trækker mit indlæg herom tilbage blinker

M.v.h. Arne smiler
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#19845 - 15/11/2015 12:47 Re: hvorfor denne måde ........ ????? [Re: Arne Thomsen]
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Somo.

Når jeg læser dette:
Citat:
Islam betyder bogstaveligt "underkastelse". Islam er tilfredshedens, sikkerhedens og fredens religion. Disse principper er så almindelige i en muslims liv, at når han standser for at bede namaz (bøn), skærer han alle bånd til verden over, bøjer sig og kaster sig ned for Gud, og står derefter med hænderne foldede i respekt. Når han kommer ud fra bønnen, er det som at begynde på et nyt liv. Han afslutter bønnen ved at hilse dem på sin højre og venstre side, ønske dem sundhed, sikkerhed og fred, hvorefter han går og er sammen med andre mennesker. I Islam betragtes det som noget af det mest lykkebringende at hilse på andre og ønske dem fred. Da Profeten Muhammad (fvmh) blev spurgt om: "Hvad er den mest lykkebringende handling i Islam?" svarede han: "At give mad til andre og hilse på alle, man kender og ikke kender."
og
Citat:
Beskyldninger om Terrorisme
Det er en stor skam, at Islam, som hviler på disse grundpiller, af andre ses som det samme som terrorisme. Dette er en kæmpemæssig historisk fejltagelse, fordi, som vi understregede ovenfor, for et system, der er baseret på fred og sikkerhed at blive tilknyttet terrorisme, viser først og fremmest, at de mennesker intet ved om Islams ånd og er ude af stand til at fatte den med deres egne sjæle.
og når jeg sammenholder det med dette:
Citat:
Gengældelsen for dem, der fører krig mod Gud og Hans udsending og stræber efter at skabe fordærv i landet, er, at de bliver dræbt eller korsfæstet eller får deres hænder og fødder hugget af i modsat side eller bliver fordrevet fra landet. Sådan er det. (Sura 5:33)

(Koranen, oversat af Ellen Wulff, Forlaget Vandkunsten, Kbh. 2006)
Hvad er så Islams ånd?
Fred eller gengældelse?


M.v.h. Arne cool
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#19857 - 17/11/2015 09:15 Re: hvorfor denne måde ........ ????? [Re: Arne Thomsen]
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Some of the Islamic Terms
Islam: means a commitment to live in peace through submission to the Will of God (Allah).
Muslim: is a person who makes a commitment to live in peace through servitude to Allah.
Jihad: means "struggle" and "strive" against evil thoughts, evil action and aggression against a person, family, society or country. Jihad may be a "justifiable war", borrowing the Christian term.


Mujahid: is a person who engages in Jihad for the sake of Allah according to the Quran (Muslim's source book for guidance) and Sunnah (the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Mujahidin is the plural of Mujahid.
"Islamic terrorism": There is no such phrase or term in the Islamic source books of the Quran or the Sunnah and has no place in Islam.
Sunnah: Sunnah is the preferred way of the Prophet Muhammad that includes his teaching. The sources of the Sunnah are authentic Hadith (reports of the Prophet's sayings, doings and approvals) collections.


The True Meaning of "Jihad"
Jihad is usually associated with Islam and Muslims, but in fact, the concept of Jihad is found in all religions including Christianity, Judaism and political/economic ideologies, such as, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Islam defines Jihad as striving and struggling for improvement as well as fighting back to defend one's self, honor, assets and homeland. Also, Jihad is interpreted as the struggle against evil, internal or external of a person or a society. Jihad, in Islam, means doing any or all but not limited to the following:
Learn, teach, and practice Islam in all aspects of one's life at all times to reach the highest and best education in order to benefit oneself, family and society.
Be a messenger of Islam everywhere, in every behavior and action.


Fight evil, wrongdoing, and injustice with all one's power by one's hand (action), with one's tongue (speech), or at least with one's heart (prayer).
Respond to the call for Jihad with money, effort, wisdom and life; yet, never fight a Muslim brother, a Muslim country, or a non-Muslim society that respects its treaties and harbors no aggressive designs against Islam or Muslims.
Suicide under any pretext is not condoned as Jihad in Islam.
Converting people to Islam by force or coercion is never Jihad but a crime, punishable by law.


The concept of Muslim men rushing out to kill themselves to get "70 dancing virgins" in Paradise, is really quite silly.
The fact of the matter is, the "companions of Paradise" are mentioned as being pure and so much above anything we might imagine on earth, so as to indicate to us they are perpetually "virgin" and are not "touched" by men or devils.
The words "perpetual virgin" even in English, should give anyone the understanding these are not such as we have known on earth.
There can be no mistaking the meaning in the Arabic language as to the purity and innocence of these companions.
The Levels of Jihad
A personal struggle within one's self to submit to Allah, fight evil within one's self, achieve higher moral and educational standards - Inner Jihad.
Jihad against evil, injustice and oppression within one's self, family and society - Social Jihad.
Jihad against all that prevents Muslims from servitude to God (Allah), people from knowing Islam, defense of a Muslim society (country), retribution against tyranny, and/or when a Muslim is removed from their homeland by force - Physical Jihad or an armed struggle.


The Quran defines physical Jihad as being the highest level of Jihad that one can undertake. Its reward is eternal Paradise. Muslims also know that all humans are accountable for what they have done during their life on this earth. Muslims will be asked about what they did with their lives and their level of submission to Allah on the Day of Judgment.


Does Jihad mean Holy War?
In Islam, there is no such thing as holy war. This terminology was generated in Europe during the Crusades and their war against Muslims. Islam recognizes Jews and Christians as the "People of the Book" because they all follow the Prophet Abraham, believing in Moses' and Jesus' teachings. For many centuries, Muslims have peacefully coexisted with Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths, maintaining social, business, political and economic treaties. Islam respects all humans and faiths as long as there is no religious oppression, forbidding Muslims from serving Allah, preventing others from learning about Islam, and not respecting treaties. For more information on the topic of Jihad see the brochure Jihad Explained or request brochure #18 from the III&E, the publisher of this article.



Who is authorized to call for Jihad as a war?
Jihad must be performed according to Islamic rules and regulations and only for the sake or in the service of Allah. The physical or military Jihad must be called by a Muslim authority, such as, a president or head of a Muslim country after due consultations with the learned leadership.
What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
The term "terrorism" does not exist in the Quran or the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. If the terms "terrorist or terrorism" are derived from a verb used in the Quran, such as 5:33 describing a "Muslim's" terrorist acts, it is in condemnation and prescribes most severe punishment. Islam is a religion and a way of life that does not separate politics from religion. Islam is a religion of mercy, unity and most importantly peace with one's self and others, to defend not to fight. Allah said in His Book the Quran:
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. God loves just dealers." [Noble Quran 60:8]


"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not begin aggression, for God loves not aggressors." [Noble Quran 2:190]
"If they seek peace, then seek you peace and trust in God for He is the Hearer, the Knower." [Noble Quran 8:61]
" and let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is next to piety; and fear Allah, for Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [Noble Quran 5:8]
"But (remember that an attempt at) requiting evil may, too, become an evil: hence whoever pardons (his foe) and makes peace, his reward rests with Allah- for, verily He does not love transgressors." [Noble Quran 42:40]


"The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! He between whom and thee there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. [Noble Quran 41:34]


Some of the Prophet Muhammad's Teachings (Sunnah)
He prohibited Muslim soldiers from killing women, children and the elderly, or cut a palm tree, and he advised them, "do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child."
"Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years."
"The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed." Killing is the second major sin in Islam.
"Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable."
"There is a reward for kindness shown to every living animal or human."


Islam and Human Rights
The Quran and Sunnah encourage Muslims to respect the life and property of all mankind.
In an Islamic State these rights are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not.
Islam protects honor, forbids insulting others, and/or making fun of them.
Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, and/or race.
All Muslims believe that Allah created all humans free and equal, only to be distinguished from each other on the basis of God-consciousness or piety and never on the basis of race, color or ethnicity.
Islam is a practical religion that respects all human beings and it was revealed for all mankind. Its message is that of peace and submission to Allah. Muslims believe in all the Prophets mentioned in the Bible, and the Quran. The Quran shares many moral teachings of the Old Testament and the New Testament. These three religions (and their books) were founded upon the revelations by One True God, Allah

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Jihad in the Bible
Let us see what the Bible has to say about Jihad in the meaning of war and violence. The following verses are from the Bible, New International Version (NIV), 1984
"Do not allow a sorceress to live. Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed." [Exodus 22:18-20]


"This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' The Levites did as Moses commanded and that day about three thousand of the people died." [Exodus 32:27-28]
"The LORD said to Moses, 'Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. (Moses ordered) "Now kill all the boys. And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." [Numbers 31:1-18]


(Jesus said) "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me." [Luke 19:27]
"He (Jesus) said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." [Luke 22:36]


Differential treatment
Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy and forgiveness. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the basic tenants of Islam.
When Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City building, no American or Christian was labeled as a terrorist or was the target of hate crimes. When Irish Christians carry out acts of terrorism against each other and on the British Isles, the Christian religion is not blamed but individuals or their political agenda. Unfortunately, the same is not true for American Muslims and Arabs. The vast majority of Muslims or Arabs have no association with the violent events around the world yet Islam is invoked with terrorism. It is unfair to 1.5 billion Muslims of the world and religion of Islam.


Criteria of guilt
Innocent until proven guilty in an open court is an accepted universal principle of justice along with liberty and freedom for all humankind. However, the U.S. failed to practice the same principles for those who are not U.S. nationals. Even worse, the U.S. is creating military tribunal for secret trials because there may be inadequate evidence to prove Arabs and Muslims guilty in open courts.
May Allah bless us all and purify our hearts from all misunderstanding, malice, hate and anger.


See here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sA0XdnnrYQ
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Islam Vs Terrorism | Khalid Yasin (Part 1 of 2)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-c-MWhtxUQ


Islam Vs Terrorism | Khalid Yasin (Part 2 of 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDZpb453Bo4
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#19859 - 17/11/2015 09:33 Re: hvorfor denne måde ........ ????? [Re: somo]
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Her lidt om, hvad forladte kvinder i et krigshelvede synes om mændene der løb deres vej og bare lod dem i stikken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gysVQ0s_gXA

mvh
Simon
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