annonce
annonce
(visninger)Populære tråde
Mellemrummet 15941211
Angst – Tro – Håb – Kærlighed 2404944
Et andet syn 2008064
Åndelig Føde 1624589
Jesu ord 1536995
Galleri
Nørresundby Rødhus
Hvem er online?
1 registreret (1 usynlig), 46 gæster og 151 søgemaskiner online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Skriv et nyt svar.


Smilies Opret hyperlink Opret link til e-mailadresse Tilføj billede Indsæt video Opret liste Fremhæv noget tekst Kursiv tekst Understreg noget tekst Gennemstreg noget tekst [spoiler]Spoiler tekst her[/spoiler] Citer noget tekst Farvelæg noget tekst Juster skifttype Juster skiftstørrelse
Gør tekstruden mindre
Gør tekstruden større
Indlæg ikon:
            
            
 
HTML er slået fra.
UBBCode er slået til..
Indlæg valgmuligheder








Som svar til:
Skribent: Hanskrist
Emne: Re: Åndelig Føde

Især Thomas og Arne

Tikka og Jørgen Primdahl


vil jeg anbefale at kigge nærmere på denne tekst hvor Paul Tillich præsenterer hvad der er karakteristisk for den paulinske SPIRITUALITET (og som vor tid savner en dyb forståelse af er min påstand og ingen er religionsfilosofisk bedre istand hertil endnu undertegnede (derfor læs HansKrist - det bliver fremtiden).


Guds Ånd og menneskets ånd (som vi møder tankegangen i 1 Kor 2 fx).

The Divine Spirit and the human Spirit.


The Divine Spirit dwells and works in the human spirit.
The Divine Spirit breaks into the human spirit.
Ecstasy is the classical term for this state of being grasped by the Divine Spiritual Presence.
Although the ecstatic character of the experience of Divine Spiritual Presence does not destroy the rational structure of the human spirit (1)* it does something the human spirit could not do by itself.
The truth that the human spirit is unable to compel the Divine Spirit to enter the human spirit.
The Divine Spiritual Presence is not that of a teacher but of a meaning-bearing experience, the teacher can analyse and formulate the element of meaning in the ecstasy of inspiration, but when the analysis of the teacher begins, the inspirational experience has already passed.

But if the ecstatic reception of the Divine Spiritual Presence is described as "inspiration" or "infusion" or as both, we must observe the basic rule that the Divine Spiritual Presence's reception can only be described in such a way that ecstasy does not disrupt structure. The unity of ecstasy and structure is classically expressed in Paul's doctrine of the Divine Spirit. Paul is primarily the theologian of the Divine Spirit. His Christology and his eschatology are both dependent on this central point in his thinking. His doctrine of justification through faith by grace is a matter of support and defense of his main assertion that with the appearance of the Christ a new state of things came into being, created by the Divine Spirit. Paul strongly emphasizes the ecstatic element in the experience of the Divine Spiritual Presence, and he does so in accordance with all the New Testament stories in which he described. These experiences, which he acknowledges in others, he claims also for himself. He knows that every succesful prayer, i.e., every prayer which reunites with God has ecstatic character. Such a prayer is impossible for the human spirit, because man does not know how to pray; but it is possible for the Divine Spirit to through man, even should man not use words ("unspeakable sighs" - Paul). The formula - being in Christ - which Paul often uses, does not suggest a psychological empathy with Jesus Christ; rather it involves an ecstatic participation in the Christ who "is the Divine Spirit", whereby one lives in sphere of this Divine Spiritual power.

At the same time, Paul resist any tendency that would permit ecstasy to disrupt structure (jeg'ets forstands strukturer). The classical expression of this is given in the first letter to Corinthians where Paul speaks of the gifts of the Divine Spirit and rejects ecstatic speaking in tongues if it produces chaos and disrupts the community, the emphasis on personal ecstatic experiences if they produce hubris, and the other charismata (gifts of the Divine Spirit) if they are not subjected to agape. He then disusses the greatest creation of the Divine Spiritual Presence, agape itself. In the hymn to agape in 1 Corinthians, chapter 13, the structure of the moral imperative and the ecstasy of the Divine Spiritual Presence are completely united. Similarly, the first three chapters of the same letter indicate a way to unite the structure of cognition with the ecstasy of the Divine Spiritual Presence. The relation to the divine ground of being through the Divine Spirit is not agnostic (as it is not amoral); rather it includes the knowledge of the "depth" of the Divine. However, as Paul shows in these chapters, this knowledge is not the fruit of theoria, the receiving function of the human spirit, but has an ecstatic character, as indicated by the language of Paul uses in these chapters as well as in the chapter on agape. In ecstatic language Paul points to agape and gnosis - forms of morality and knowledge in which ecstasy and structure are united.

The church had and continues to have a problem in actualizing Paul's ideas, because of concrete ecstatic movements. The church must prevent the confusion of ecstasy with chaos, and it must fight for structure. On the other hand, it must avoid the institutional profanization of the Divine Spirit which took place in the early Catholic church as a result of its replacement of charisma with office. Above all, it must avoid the secular profanization of contemporary Protestantism which occurs when it replaces ecstasy with doctrinal or moral structure. The Pauline criterion of the unity of structure and ecstasy stands against both kinds of profanization.





Hvad Paul Tillich giver udtryk for ovenfor har vi også her:


(1)*:

Paul's mysticism was not like the mysticism elsewhere described as a soul being at one with God. In the mysticism he felt and encouraged, there is no loss of self but an enriching of it; no erase of time or place but a comprehension of how time and place fit within the eternal. A. Schweitzer.

Tillich:

"Ecstasy" ("standing outside one's self)") points to a state of mind which is extraordinary in the sense that the mind transcendens its ordinary situation. Ecstacy is not a negation of reason; it is the state of mind in which reason is beyond itself, that is, beyond its subject-object structure. In being beyond itself reason does not deny itself. "Ecstatic reason" remains reason; it does not receive anything irrational or anti-rational -- which it could not do without self-destruction --- but it transcends the basic condition of finite rationality, the subject-object of structure. This is the state mystics try to reach by ascetic and meditative activities.


Mange kærlige hilsner HansKrist


PS:

EKSTATISK kan noget kun være hvis det også omfatter kvaliteterne SPONTANITET og FRIHED og ja NY SKABELSE (KREATIVITET (er nogen i KRISTUS har de ÅNDEN så er de qua denne nye skabninger (2 Kor 5)).

Paulus siger jo at der hvor Ånden er der er også altid FRIHEDEN.


»Herren« er Ånden, og hvor Herrens ånd er, dér er der frihed. Og alle vi, som med utilsløret ansigt i et spejl skuer Herrens herlighed, forvandles efter det billede, vi skuer, fra herlighed til herlighed, sådan som det sker ved den Herre, som Ånden er. 2 Kor 3


Vil indrømme at jeg nu efter at have skrevet alt det her sluttede af med 2 Kor 3 - jeg fandt det så smukt at jeg blev bevæget rørt til tårer sammen med en lille indre rystelse, sjælsbevægelse.

Det er så smukt og så videnskabeligt korrekt ved vi idag takket være neurovidenskab hvad den gode kloge geni Paulus har skrevet for 2000 år siden.

❤️
Seneste indlæg
Vigtige præciseringer
af somo
20/05/2024 13:44
Spiritualitet
af Arne Thomsen
17/05/2024 19:05
Kristi himmelfart
af Arne Thomsen
14/05/2024 16:36
Min ”religion”
af Arne Thomsen
08/05/2024 22:42
Blanke sider
af Tikka
08/05/2024 13:37
Nyheder fra DR
Irans tidligere udenrigsminister skyder ..
20/05/2024 19:19
Biden kalder ICC-anklagers ønske om Net..
20/05/2024 19:03
Michael Cohen erkender at have stjålet ..
20/05/2024 18:37
Israels præsident angriber ICC efter h..
20/05/2024 16:55
Skib endelig på vej i havn efter brokol..
20/05/2024 16:31
Nyheder fra Religion.dk